Re: <nettime> apropos "relax dear"

[Menno Grootveld <rabotnik@xs4all.nl>]

Dear all,

Although I certainly do not share all of Alexander's notions and ideas, and although I do not discount the possibility that he actually is one of these 'trolls', I don't support banning him from nettime permanently. I have to admit that I am a bit shocked by the eagerness with which some people seem to be wanting to 'shut him up,' as I do not consider this a productive way of having a discussion. The problem remains of course that a lot of people feel offended by his posts and that the discussion I am referring to has gotten out of hand recently, so the best solution would probably be to put him temporarily on 'moderation watch'.

Best,

Menno

Op 06-11-18 om 15:16 schreef Felix Stalder:

At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number
of people set to manual approval by the moderators.

The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on
"moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that,
not for some absolutist notion of free speech -- there is no right to
attack and denigrate people, no right to produce confusion and hatred,
and no right to bore everyone to death with belaboring the same points.
Also, nettime still has a collective focus, which involves trying to
think through the contemporary condition from a point of view of
producers of media culture (if such a thing can be still delineated).

The reason I'm reluctant to do is that I think it's better to draw such
boundaries collectively, to use these moments to rethink what the list
is. This is, admittedly, a somewhat "inefficient" approach and it often
creates not very productive loops until everyone gets so annoyed that
they speak up, but I personally don't know a better way.

So, please help us to respond more quickly by speaking up on the list or
sending us private mails.

Felix




On 06.11.18 12:19, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:

friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to
angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should
give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that
"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the
openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this
in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the
discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape
through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they
respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be
not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly
and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist
trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality
of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague
collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to
express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate
some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i
believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it
serves to constitute.
(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
regards,
-a


Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:

about that

 > dear angela,
 > relax dear.
 > it is ok.
 > noone is recruiting anyone here.
 > chill.
 > best,
 > w

so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from
angela?
do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this
is normal??

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